hi everyone
i live on the gulf islands of canada.
i am building a green house.
i want to isolate the north wall with any material that is locally available.
i thought about saw dust. is it a possible/efficient way of doing????
i thought about horse manure.....am i crazy???
we would conceptualize a system, where we could replace the manure every couple months(as it compost itself) and then use it as soil....
i thought we could place the manure into a sealed wall so no wood would be in contact with it.
and there would be a trap to empty the wall and re-fill it.
what do you think???? does manure itself have a good insulating value??? i would think so...
any other tips recommendation????
thanks
i live on the gulf islands of canada.
i am building a green house.
i want to isolate the north wall with any material that is locally available.
i thought about saw dust. is it a possible/efficient way of doing????
i thought about horse manure.....am i crazy???
we would conceptualize a system, where we could replace the manure every couple months(as it compost itself) and then use it as soil....
i thought we could place the manure into a sealed wall so no wood would be in contact with it.
and there would be a trap to empty the wall and re-fill it.
what do you think???? does manure itself have a good insulating value??? i would think so...
any other tips recommendation????
thanks
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Re: insulating a greenhouse wall.
Sat, February 16, 2008 - 2:15 PMlots of people use straw bales and they seems to work pretty well.
too traditional?
i know there are lots ways of insulating with packed dirt.
if you have lots of horses, good luck with the manure thing,
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Re: insulating a greenhouse wall.
Thu, February 21, 2008 - 4:58 PMHell i guess if you used manure you would even get some compost heat out of the whole deal. :) -
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Re: insulating a greenhouse wall.
Thu, February 21, 2008 - 7:09 PMSounds like a lot of work...I used straw bales for the north wall of my greenhouse and they have lasted for three seasons...I just built the whole thing on top of them....This year i am going to use the old straw for mulch and then put in new ones...
Not much insulation value in the manure or sawdust.... Especially if they get wet...
Happy building
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Re: insulating a greenhouse wall.
Sat, March 8, 2008 - 3:59 PMive heard ferro cement has great insulation value... like 4 times that of normal conrete.... i dont know what it runs but it could be a light weight easy way to hold in heat.... anyone know?
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Re: insulating a greenhouse wall.
Sat, March 8, 2008 - 8:21 PMsome old friends of mine came up with the idea of using their giant compost pile with kind of roman heating system to warm up their greenhouse through the floor. it was pretty cool
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Sun, March 23, 2008 - 8:29 PMThat's right. Generally the manure is applied as a heap, or even under the floor-boards (most greenhouses don't come with floor-boards anymore), but you'd get a similar effect from a manure wall. I'd suggest having a second kind of insulation on the outside of the wall to direct the majority of the heat inwards, but the mass of the maure itself will help some. Also, you'll more years out of the wall if you line it with polyethylene plastic or EPDM pond liner (less rot from manure-wood contact). Still, for shear ease and economy you're better off just filling the wall-space with dirt--you get it for free if you can use on-site dirt and you won't have to mess with adding and then removing the material as much as with manure (actually, never in the lifetime of the wall). -
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Re: insulating a greenhouse wall.
Mon, March 24, 2008 - 6:15 PMJust a reminder here concerning insulating anything. There is no better insulation than an inch or two of dead air space between an inside layer and an outside layer. It is not the material but the separation that breaks the transfer of heat flow and raises the R-value considerably. Most efficient alternative designs consider this essential.
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Re: insulating a greenhouse wall.
Mon, March 17, 2008 - 11:13 PMI'm working at having all the material I use come from my property....no strawbales (though they work great), but lots of used animal bedding. I'm trying that out right now. It's not straight manure, but lots of hay and alfalfa mixed with dung. Hoping to get heat out of it as well. Seems to me just straight manure would have some effect, but not as much as a bulkier agent or a more active compost pile, and, if you're not amiss to going and getting strawbales, they do work great.
eriol
